PvX - Easy Build - Zeal/Immo/Archon (French VOD) (PvX Economic)

On Dec. 30, 2018, 3:08 a.m., jesterfuj  said:

thanks!

On Dec. 3, 2018, 10:42 a.m., wren42  said:

ahh that makes sense.

what about building adept instead? this saves a bit of gas, my thought would be:

pylon
gateway
assim
gateway
cyber
nexus
pylon
assim
warpgate + 2x adept for scout
robo

This gets nexus a tiny bit sooner while still starting 2 gates, and adepts are great for early scouting and worker harass.

On Dec. 3, 2018, 10:28 a.m., zuka  said:

About the 2 gates :

- 4 stalkers is enough : Against Zerg and terran you need to expand fast. 6 stalkers would be really to much (against P it can be okay... but you can totally be safe with 4 stalkers and a robo after the nexus).
- I start with 2 gas because i need at least 4 probes on the gas to be able to do 4 stalkers + wg without cuting anything :) With a 4 adepts for example, you can play with only 1 gas.

On Dec. 3, 2018, 10:25 a.m., wren42  said:

ok I see, you want it to work for protoss so 2 gate is safer.

Is there a reason you cut gateway production after 4 stalkers? Do you just see this as enough for early game or should we actually continue to produce out of these 2 until warpgate finishes?

also do you double gas early to prevent steal or do you really need it for this build?

On Dec. 3, 2018, 10:14 a.m., zuka  said:

Hey wren42 :

Was a mistake about roach/hydralisk (I mix an old description of build order with this one, I will change this).
1 gate FE 20/20 is really standard. You can use it against terran and zerg but it's terrible against a protoss. When I do a PvX build order, i'm focus on a build which can be use against all races. This opening is maybe less economic oriented than standard FE but can be used against all races. It's more "pressure oriented".

On Dec. 3, 2018, 10:12 a.m., wren42  said:

also you have some strange timings.

for instance forges start at 6:09, and upgrades start at 6:19. Forges take longer than 10 seconds to build.

On Dec. 3, 2018, 10:09 a.m., wren42  said:

yes "go on a roach/hydralisks army" I think means "counter an roach/hydralisk army"

OP, what are the advantages/disadvantages over a normal 1 gate FE 20 nexus 20 cyber? Why should I use this instead of that build?

On Dec. 2, 2018, 10:30 a.m., zuka  said:

Oh, i see what you mean :D

On Dec. 2, 2018, 10:29 a.m., zuka  said:

Nope :) I try to put as many content as I can for each race :)

On Dec. 1, 2018, 2:12 p.m., Heeebs  said:

i think you put some zerg stuff in there by accident haha